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    ¼ðùò ßóùò ãíùñßæåôå, ìÝ÷ñé ðñïóöÜôùò, óôï avmentor.gr äåí äïêéìÜæáìå êáëþäéá ìåìïíùìÝíùí êáôáóêåõáóôþí, ðëçí ïëßãùí åîáéñÝóåùí.

    Åäþ, Ý÷ïõìå íá êÜíïõìå ìå ìéá ôÝôïéá åîáßñåóç:

    Ìéá ðïëý êáéíïýñéá åëëçíéêÞ åôáéñßá êáôáóêåõÞò êáëùäßùí, ç Physical Wire ôïõ Íßêïõ Êïõñôßäç, äïêéìÜæåé ôçí ôý÷ç ôçò óôçí áãïñÜ. ¼ðëá ôçò, ç åíôåëþò ÷åéñïðïßçôç êáôáóêåõÞ êáé ôá êïñõöáßá õëéêÜ. ÄïêéìÜæïõìå ôéò äýï ðñþôåò óåéñÝò ðñïúüíôùí ôçò (interconnect, ç÷åßùí êáé ôñïöïäïóßáò), ìåôáöÝñïõìå ôéò åíôõðþóåéò ìáò êáé âñßóêïõìå ôçí åõêáéñßá íá êÜíïõìå "ôï êÜôé ðáñáðÜíù", óå ü,ôé áöïñÜ ôçí áîéïëüãçóç êáëùäßùí!
    Áõôü ôï "êÜôé ðáñáðÜíù" Ý÷åé Ýíá êÜðïéï ó÷åôéêü åíäéáöÝñïí óå äýï óçìåßá. Ðñþôïí, óôçí Ýììåóç ìÝôñçóç ôïõ interconnect ìå ôçí âïÞèåéá ìéáò ðñüôõðçò äéÜôáîçò êáé, äåýôåñïí, óôéò ìåôñÞóåéò ôùí êáëùäßùí ç÷åßùí, üðïõ, ðñïóèÝóáìå Ýíá multitone analysis, ìå äõíáôüôçôá, ìÜëéóôá áêñüáóçò ôïõ áíôßóôïé÷ïõ ôåóô Baxandall/Hafler.

    http://www.avmentor.gr/reviews/2020/...e_series_0.htm...
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    ÐÜíôùò ÄçìÞôñç èá ðñÝðåé íá åßóáé ï ìüíïò ðáãêïóìßùò ðïõ äéåîÜãåéò ôÝôïéïõ åßäïõò äïêéìÝò êáé áó÷Ýôùò áðü ôï ãåãïíüò üôé óôï ìåãáëýôåñï ìÝñïò ôïõò åßíáé ðñïò ôï ðáñüí áäýíáôï íá óõó÷åôéóôïýí ìå ôéò üðïéåò áêïõóôÝò äéáöïñÝò. Ðáñåìðéðôüíôùò åßíáé áñêåôÜ ðåñßåñãï ðïõ ïé "áñíçôÝò ôùí êáëùäßùí" (sic) èåùñïýí áíýðáñêôç ôç óõìâïëÞ ôïõò óôï ôåëéêü áðïôÝëåóìá -ëåò êáé ôá õðüëïéðá óôïé÷åßá ôïõ êõêëþìáôïò äåí áðïôåëïýíôáé áðü áãþãéìá õëéêÜ- ôç óôéãìÞ ðïõ óå üëïõò ôïõò Üëëïõò êëÜäïõò ôùí çëåêôñïíéêþí, áíáëïãéêþí ôå êáé øçöéáêþí, èåùñåßôáé áðëþò áõôïíüçôç. Ç ìüíç åîÞãçóç êáôÜ ôç ãíþìç ìïõ åßíáé ðùò ïé áêñüôçôåò ôçò êïóôïëüãçóçò ôïõ hi-end audio Ý÷ïõí ïäçãÞóåé óå áíôßóôñïöåò áêñüôçôåò óôçí áîéïëüãçóç ôùí ó÷åôéêþí ðñïúüíôùí.
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    ¸÷åé ðÜíôá åíäéáöÝñïí íá øÜ÷íåéò ôÝôïéá ðñÜãìáôá, ôüóï óôï åðßðåäï ôïõ ôé Ý÷ïõí êÜíåé Üëëïé üóï êáé óôï ðñáêôéêü åðßðåäï (íá êÜíåéò äçëáäÞ ôéò ìåôñÞóåéò) êáé óõ÷íÜ áðü áõôü ðñïêýðôïõí åíäéáöÝñïíôá êåßìåíá. Áôõ÷þò, ï óõó÷åôéóìüò ìåôñÞóåùí êáé ç÷çôéêÞò óõìðåñéöïñÜò áðáéôåß áêáäçìáúêïý åðéðÝäïõ Ýñåõíá, ïé ðüñïé ãéá ôçí ïðïßá (ïéêïíïìéêïß êáé áíèñþðéíïé) åßíáé äéáèÝóéìïé ìüíï óôçí áêáäçìßá êáé óå ìåãÜëåò åôáéñßåò êáé äåí åßíáé åöéêôÞ áðü ðåñéïäéêÜ Þ site. Ðñïöáíþò, ôï ïéêïíïìéêü åíäéáöÝñïí äåí åßíáé óçìáíôéêü, áëëïéþò èá åß÷áìå äåé ðïëëÜ êáé äéÜöïñá. Áõôü ïäçãåß êáé óôï öáéíüìåíï ôùí áêñïôÞôùí óôçí êïóôïëüãçóç (ç ïðïßá âïëåýåé ðïëëïýò!).

    Óå ü,ôé áöïñÜ ôïõò äéÜöïñïõò "áñíçôÝò", ðïëý óõ÷íÜ ç èÝóç ôïõò ïöåßëåôáé óå Üãíïéá ôùí óõìâéâáóìþí ðïõ ãßíïíôáé. Ç âéïìç÷áíßá ôïõ audio ãéá ôå÷íïïéêïíïìéêïýò ëüãïõò (ü÷é êáô´áíÜãêçí ëáíèáóìÝíïõò) äåí áó÷ïëåßôáé ìå ðïëëÝò ôå÷íéêÝò ðáñáìÝôñïõò, åßôå áöÞíïíôáò ôçí ðñùôïâïõëßá óå Üëëïõò êëÜäïõò, åßôå áðëþò ðåñéïñéæüìåíç óôï íá êáëýðôåé ôéò åëÜ÷éóôåò áðáéôïýìåíåò ðñïäéáãñáöÝò. Áõôü ïäçãåß óå ðáèçôéêÞ áðïäï÷Þ äéáöüñùí èåóöÜôùí, ôá ïðïßá Üëëïôå éó÷ýïõí, Üëëïôå áðïôåëïýí ÷ïíäñïåéäåßò ðñïóåããßóåéò ðïõ èá ðñÝðåé íá áíáóêåõáóèïýí, êáèþò ïé ôå÷íïëïãßåò åîåëßóóïíôáé. Ããéá ðáñÜäåéãìá, ç éäÝá üôé Ýíá øçöéáêü óÞìá åßíáé ìéá áðëÞ, êáèáñÞ äéáäï÷Þ áðü "1" êáé "0", èá Ýêáíå ïðïéïíäÞðïôå ìç÷áíéêü RF íá ãåëÜóåé. Óôï audio, üóï ôá sample rates Þôáí ÷áìçëÜ, Þôáí ìéá áðëïýóôåõóç ðïõ ßó÷õå. Ôþñá, ðéèáíþò, äåí éó÷ýåé, áëëÜ ç "ôåìðåëéÜ" ôùí audiÜäùí ìáò Ý÷åé óôåñÞóåé áðü åñãáëåßá, ìåèüäïõò êáé ðñïäéáãñáöÝò ãéá íá äïýìå ôé ãßíåôáé. ÊÜôé ðáñüìïéï, ßóùò óõìâáßíåé êáé ìå ôá êáëþäéá.

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    Åðß ôïõ èÝìáôïò ôùí êáëùäßùí ç ... åðéóôçìïíéêÞ êïéíüôçôá Ý÷åé áðü êáéñïý áðïöáíèåß ïñéóôéêÜ êáé áìåôÜêëçôá: MogamÜêé, BeldenÜêé êáé ... ÊïõñôÜêç.
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    Íïìßæù üôé, ïé üñïé "ïñéóôéêÜ" êáé "áìåôÜêëçôá" äåí õößóôáíôáé óôçí åðéóôçìïíéêÞ ìÝèïäï, ç ïðïßá âáóßæåôáé, áêñéâþò, óôïí óõíå÷Þ áõôïÝëåã÷ï êáé ôçí áìöéóâÞôçóç ôùí êñáôïýíôùí áðüøåùí. Ôïýôïõ ëå÷èÝíôùò, ðïý áêñéâþò Ý÷åé äçìïóéåõèåß êÜôé áðü ôçí åðéóôçìïíéêÞ êïéíüôçôá ðïõ íá êáôáëÞãåé, Ýóôù ðñïóùñéíÜ óå êÜðïéï ôÝôïéï óõìðÝñáóìá; Ñùôþ åéëéêñéíþò, äéüôé åíäåëå÷Þò Ýñåõíá óå åðéóôçìïíéêÜ êáé ôå÷íéêÜ ðåñéïäéêÜ ôï ìüíï ðïõ Ý÷åé áíáóýñåé åßíáé papers ðåñß ôçò åðßäñáóçò ôùí êáëùäßùí ç÷åßùí óôï ôåëéêü áðïôÝëóìá êáé -ôï ëéãüôåñï- áíáéìéêÝò ðáñáãñÜöïõò ðåñß ôçò "ìç ýðáñîçò êÜðïéáò äéáäéêáóßáò" áîéïëüãçóçò êáëùäßùí interconnect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dStam View Post
    Íïìßæù üôé, ïé üñïé "ïñéóôéêÜ" êáé "áìåôÜêëçôá" äåí õößóôáíôáé óôçí åðéóôçìïíéêÞ ìÝèïäï.
    ¸ôóé áêñéâþò åßíáé.


    Quote Originally Posted by dStam View Post
    åðéóôçìïíéêÞ ìÝèïäï, ç ïðïßá âáóßæåôáé, áêñéâþò, óôïí óõíå÷Þ áõôïÝëåã÷ï êáé ôçí áìöéóâÞôçóç ôùí êñáôïýíôùí áðüøåùí.
    Ðñïûðüèåóç, êáé áíáãêáßá óõíèÞêç, ôçò áíùôÝñù èÝóçò åßíáé, ðñïöáíþò, ç ðáñáäï÷Þ üôé ïé "êñáôïýóåò áðüøåéò" åßíáé "áëçèéíÝò" êáé éó÷ýïõí ìÝ÷ñéò üôïõ ... áíáôñáðïýí, êáé ü÷é áðüëõôåò áëÞèåéåò. ¸ôóé äåí åßíáé;


    Quote Originally Posted by dStam View Post
    Ôïýôïõ ëå÷èÝíôùò, ðïý áêñéâþò Ý÷åé äçìïóéåõèåß êÜôé áðü ôçí åðéóôçìïíéêÞ êïéíüôçôá ðïõ íá êáôáëÞãåé, Ýóôù ðñïóùñéíÜ óå êÜðïéï ôÝôïéï óõìðÝñáóìá;
    Óôçí çìåäáðÞ áêñïáìáôéêïöéëéêÞ êåíüôçôá õößóôáôáé ìéá áõôïðñïóäéïñéæüìåíç ùò åðéóôçìïíéêÞ êåíüôçôá ç ïðïßá äéáêñßíåé åáõôüí áðü ôïõò ëïéðïýò ôïõò ïðïßïõò ïñßæåé ùò "øåêáóìÝíïõò" ê.ï.ê. ÁõôÞ ç åðéóôçìïíéêÞ êåíüôçôá, ðñåóâåýïíôáò êáé êçñýôôïíôáò ôç ìéá êáé áðüëõôç åðéóôçìïíéêÞ áëÞèåéá, Ý÷åé áðü êáéñïý áðïöáíèåß ïñéóôéêÜ êáé áìåôÜêëçôá ó÷åôéêÜ ìå áõôü ðïõ ðñïáíÝöåñá. Seek, and ye shall find...

    Óå êÜèå ðåñßðôùóç, ôï ó÷üëéü ìïõ Þôáí ìÜëëïí äçêôéêü êáé óêùðôéêü.
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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