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    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
    Catch Me Now I'm Falling.
    Don't worry, I think you'll be alright as long as you're not falling from Higher Altitude...
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
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    On the other hand 500¤ per chanel is not a bad deal.
    Let us not forget ( at least us the older ones) that in hifi audio the bet placed from the very start was for the best possible perfomance at the lowest possible cost. So I can see here that we are overreacting 1000¤ for 2 chanel might be more than just fine for a state of the art processor


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
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    Welcome to this machine called society that brainwash people, by sending them to school at a very young age to be later on teached on how to be a good worker. Please listen to the mainstream media, vote, buy things you don't need to impress people you don't even know. After all, appearance is really important. Please follow orders, obey to the police. Stay away from others and make sure to always be in competition with them. Kill nature and life so we can build structures that are 100 000 foot tall to show who controls. And most important : Never forget that money is the most important thing in this life. It is a human creation that controls your mind and makes you a slave. But it's good for the economy. Welcome to the machine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
    On the other hand 500¤ per chanel is not a bad deal.
    Let us not forget ( at least us the older ones) that in hifi audio the bet placed from the very start was for the best possible perfomance at the lowest possible cost. So I can see here that we are overreacting 1000¤ for 2 chanel might be more than just fine for a state of the art processor
    Not quite so, I'm afraid. Try adding another zero to the amount mentioned and you're getting there.

    In any case, I don't have a problem with the price, specs, attributes and performance of any audio equipment. A piece of audio equipment may interest me or not, end of story. Simple as that.

    What annoys me are the ludicrous efforts of some owners of such equipment to ascribe transcendental qualities to their prized possession, such as it being able to "îå÷ùñßæåé ôçí Þñá áðü ôï óôÜñé, ôá ðáéäÜêéá áðü ôïõò Üíäñåò, ôïõò "÷áúåíôÜäåò" áðü ôïõò "÷áúöéíôåëÜäåò", ôïõò øåêáóìÝíïõò áðü ôïõò ïñèïëïãéóôÝò, ôïõò êáêïýò áðü ôïõò êáëïýò, ôïõò ëÜèïò áðü ôïõò óùóôïýò, ôïõò óêïôáäéóôÝò áðü ôïõò åðéóôÞìïíåò". Do you read me?
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
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    Welcome to this machine called society that brainwash people, by sending them to school at a very young age to be later on teached on how to be a good worker. Please listen to the mainstream media, vote, buy things you don't need to impress people you don't even know. After all, appearance is really important. Please follow orders, obey to the police. Stay away from others and make sure to always be in competition with them. Kill nature and life so we can build structures that are 100 000 foot tall to show who controls. And most important : Never forget that money is the most important thing in this life. It is a human creation that controls your mind and makes you a slave. But it's good for the economy. Welcome to the machine.
    First observation: the human race is really messed up.

    Second observation: according to the greedy, selfish, leechy, bastards money makes the world go round. Others, more intellectually evolved, argue that money is the root of all evil today. But the simple truth is that the best things in life are free.

    Last observation: it's a real shame that the "most evolved animal" on earth is solely responsible for all the environmental damage. Why? One possible explanation is that your species has amused itself to death...
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus View Post
    Not quite so, I'm afraid. Try adding another zero to the amount mentioned and you're getting there.

    In any case, I don't have a problem with the price, specs, attributes and performance of any audio equipment. A piece of audio equipment may interest me or not, end of story. Simple as that.
    Personally I prefer to deal with this stuff. This is something to deal with. Why a piece of audio equipment may interest me or not?
    Apart from a fundamental question, why one might need so many channels unless he owns a movie theater or something, there is more to it.
    Strangely enough the price per channel goes up as the number of channels decreases. This does not make sense. It should have been the other way round as it has to be more and more difficult to perform correction (processing) as the number of channels increases.
    Anyway there is at least one other dsp unit out there that does great job for something less than 1000 euros for 2 channels. Such is the world.
    Last edited by Vassilis; 10-19-2020 at 02:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus View Post
    What annoys me are the ludicrous efforts of some owners of such equipment to ascribe transcendental qualities to their prized possession, such as it being able to "îå÷ùñßæåé ôçí Þñá áðü ôï óôÜñé, ôá ðáéäÜêéá áðü ôïõò Üíäñåò, ôïõò "÷áúåíôÜäåò" áðü ôïõò "÷áúöéíôåëÜäåò", ôïõò øåêáóìÝíïõò áðü ôïõò ïñèïëïãéóôÝò, ôïõò êáêïýò áðü ôïõò êáëïýò, ôïõò ëÜèïò áðü ôïõò óùóôïýò, ôïõò óêïôáäéóôÝò áðü ôïõò åðéóôÞìïíåò". Do you read me?
    You shouldn¢t be annoyed so easily. I can suggest a more phlegmatic approach. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. After all we are dealing with human beings and such is society.

    "let's have a laugh, noone's here for art.."


    "... öÝôïò ç ìüäá ôùí ðáðïõôóéþí åßíáé ôÝôïéá ðïõ äåí èá ìðïñïýí ïé öôù÷ïß íá ô' áãïñÜóïõí. Êé Ýôóé èá ÷ùñßóïõí ïé ðëïýóéïé áðü ôïõò öôù÷ïýò".


    Psychological and sociological issues, but that¢s another story .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
    You shouldn¢t be annoyed so easily. I can suggest a more phlegmatic approach. Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way. After all we are dealing with human beings and such is society.
    Au contraire, mon ami.

    I'm not just annoyed, I'm furius at the the show-off twats that listen to their audio equipment instead of listening to the music and lyrics of songs AND they have the nerve to call others, that actually listen to music and are paying attention to the lyrics: naive, ignorant, backward (and other such shity names).

    Take for example the record Dark Side of the Moon. Those fuckwhits are stunned by how their great immersive setups recreate, with the highest fidelity, the bass frequencies and the spatial audio effects. That's it, nothing else! Those simpletons are either incapable or totally indifferent to the meaning of the lyrics.

    Henry David Thoreau, in Walden, wrote: "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."

    If you think about it, I mean seriously think about it, you wouldn't suggest an approach along the lines of the lyrics you quoted. Those lyrics seem to relate rather closely to Nagel¢s concept of absurdity. Nagel defines our lives to be absurd because there is a distinct discrepancy between our claim to significance and what the universe actually tells us. Or in other terms, we go about our lives thinking they are significant but, because you can zoom out far away in reference to the universe, this means we are but a pointless speck on a small planet who really has no meaning whatsoever.

    This idea is present in the lyrics "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way" and this relates directly to an absurd life. It hints at the feeling that many people may have, whether conscious about it or not, that we are all just grasping for meaning. We try and find some way to cope with the desperate feeling of meaninglessness by just trying to fool ourselves that we are meaningful or just accepting that we are indeed lacking meaning in the universal scale.

    This is too what Camus thought. He thought that either we would commit suicide (either literally or philosophically - i.e. religion) or we would have to accept that the universe is silent and continue to search for a meaning to life. I seems plausible that these fears are what the lyrics to time are playing at. Our fear of death and meaninglessness and that we simply don¢t have enough time to find a way over it: "And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.", "Every year is getting shorter, never seem to find the time…" and "The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older, shorter of breath and one day closer to death."

    A second paramount point underlying the Dark Side is the concept of "Us and Them" or, more precicely, Us AGAINST Them.

    "With (with, with, with), without
    And who'll deny it's what the fighting's all about?"

    No matter what the stated reasons for war are, whether they be a protection of democracy, a holy crusade, or a pursuit of weapons of mass destruction, in the end all the fighting is really over who gets to have and who doesn¢t. Hence the withs and the without¢s.

    So, let's put the above two points together:

    "Life is very short, and there's no time
    For fussing and fighting, my friend
    "

    So, why is it impossible for the "most evolved animal" on earth to grasp a couple of such plain and simple realities?
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    ÐñïóùðéêÜ ðÜíôùò äå âëÝðù ôï ëüãï íá ìçí åðéêåíôñþíåé êáíåßò ôçí ðñïóï÷Þ ôïõ (êáé) óôá ßäéá ôá ìç÷áíÞìáôá, ðïëëÝò öïñÝò áêüìá êáé óå âÜñïò ôïõ óêïðïý ðïõ õðïôßèåôáé üôé åîõðçñåôïýí. Óôï êÜôù êÜôù áñêåôÜ åî áõôþí áðïôåëïýí Ýñãá ôÝ÷íçò in their own right, óõ÷íÜ ìÜëéóôá ìåãáëýôåñçò áéóèçôéêÞò áîßáò áðü ôçí áíáðáñáãüìåíç ìïõóéêÞ ðïõ, ãéá íá ëÝìå êáé ôçí áëÞèåéá, óôï ìåãáëýôåñï ìÝñïò ôçò åßíáé êõñéïëåêôéêþò ãéá ôá ðáíçãýñéá. Ìçí îå÷íÜìå üôé ãéá ôïõò áñ÷áßïõò çìþí –ðïõ êáôÜ ãåíéêÞ ïìïëïãßá êÜôé êáôáëÜâáéíáí áðü ôÝ÷íç– äåí õößóôáôï äéá÷ùñéóìüò ìåôáîý «êáëþí» êáé «ðñáêôéêþí» ôå÷íþí, ìéá éäÝá ðïõ õéïèåôåß óôï ãíùóôü âéâëßï ôïõ êáé ï Ðßñóéíãê. Ãéá íá ôï ôñáâÞîù ìÜëéóôá ëßãï ðáñáðÜíù, ìéá êáëïãñáììÝíç ðáñïõóßáóç Þ Ýíá óõíåêôéêü óåô ìåôñÞóåùí áðïôåëïýí ðïëëÝò öïñÝò Ýñãá ôÝ÷íçò áðü ìüíá ôïõò êáé ðáñïõóéÜæïõí ìåãáëýôåñï åíäéáöÝñïí áðü ôá ìç÷áíÞìáôá êáèáõôÜ. Ôï ãåãïíüò üôé ïñéóìÝíïé áðü ôïõò ïðáäïýò ôùí ðáñáðÜíù áíôéëÞøåùí åßíáé çìéìáèåßò, êáêïÞèåéò êáé áíüçôïé, äåí áðïôåëåß åðé÷åßñçìá êáôÜ ôùí ßäéùí ôùí áíôéëÞøåùí. ÐÜíôá Ýôóé Þôáí, åßíáé êáé èá åßíáé óôç óõíôñéðôéêÞ ðëåéïøçößá ôïõò ïé ïðáäïß ïðïéùíäÞðïôå áíôéëÞøåùí.

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