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    ÓÙ. ÌÝíåé üìùò áêüìá íá éäïýìå ðüôå ðñÝðåé êáé ðüôå äåí ðñÝðåé íá óõããñÜöùìå· ìå ðïéïõò üñïõò ç óõããñáöÞ åßíáé êáëü ðñÜãìá, êáé ìå ðïéïõò åßíáé Üó÷çìï.
    ÖÁÉ. Íáé.
    ÓÙ. ÎÝñåéò ëïéðüí ðþò èá êÜìçò ôçí ðéï ìåãÜëç ÷áñÜ óôï èåü ãéá ôïõò ëüãïõò, åßôå üôáí ìéëÜò ï ßäéïò åßôå üôáí äéäÜóêçò ãé' áõôïýò;
    ÖÁÉ. Êáèüëïõ. Êé åóý;
    ÓÙ. ¸÷ù íá åéðþ ü,ôé Üêïõóá áðü ôïõò ðáëéïýò, êé áí åßíáé áëÞèåéá, áõôïß ôï îÝñïõí. Áí üìùò åõñßóêáìå ìüíïé ìáò ôçí áëÞèåéá, Üñáãå èá ìáò Ýìåëå êáèüëïõ ðéá ãéá ôéò áíèñþðéíåò äïîáóßåò;
    ÖÁÉ. Ãåëïßï ðñÜãìá ñþôçóåò. Ìá ðåò áõôÜ ðïõ ëåò ðùò Ý÷åéò áêïõóôÜ.
    ÓÙ. ¶êïõóá ëïéðüí, ðùò ãýñù åêåß óôç Íáýêñáôéí, óôçí Áßãõðôï, õðÜñ÷åé Ýíáò áðü ôïõò ðáëéïýò èåïýò ôïõ ôüðïõ· áõôïý åßíáé êáé ôï éåñü ðïõëß ðïõ ôï ëÝíå ºâé. Êáé ôïõ ßäéïõ ôïõ èåïý ôï üíïìá åßíáé Èåõè. Êé áõôüò ðñþôïò âñÞêå êáé ôïí áñéèìü êáé ôçí áñßèìçóç êáé ôç ãåùìåôñßá êáé ôçí áóôñïíïìßá, áêüìá êáé ôï ðáé÷íßäé ìå ôïõò ðåóóïýò êáé ôï ðáé÷íßäé ìå ôïõò êýâïõò êáé áêüìá êáé ôá ãñÜììáôá. Êáé ôïí êáéñü åêåßíï Þôáíå âáóéëéÜò ó' üëç ôçí Áßãõðôï ï Èáìïýò êé Ýìåíå óôç ìåãÜëç ðüëç ôïõ åðÜíù ôüðïõ, ðïõ ïé ¸ëëçíåò ôçí ïíïìÜæïõí ÁéãõðôéáêÝò ÈÞâåò, êáé ôïí èåü ôïí ïíïìÜæïõí ¶ììùíá· ó' áõôüí Þëèå ï Èåõè êé Ýäåéîå ôéò ôÝ÷íåò ôïõ êáé åßðå, üôé ðñÝðåé íá äéáäïèïýí óôïõò Üëëïõò Áéãýðôéïõò. Êé ï âáóéëéÜò ñþôçóå, ðïéá ùöÝëåéá Ý÷åé êáíåßò áðü ôçí êáèåìéÜ. Êé åíþ åêåßíïò ôá åîçãïýóå, ï âáóéëéÜò ü,ôé íüìéæå ðùò ôï Ýëåãå êáëÜ, ü,ôé íüìéæå ðùò ôï Ýëåãå Üó÷çìá, ôï Ýíá ôï Ýøåãå, ôï Üëëï ôï åðáéíïýóå. ÐïëëÜ ëïéðüí ãéá ôçí êÜèå ôÝ÷íç ÷ùñéóôÜ êáëÜ êáé êáêÜ ëÝíå ðùò ï Èáìïýò åßðå óôïí Èåõè, êáé èá ðïëõëïãïýóáìå, áí ôá ëÝãáìå Ýíá-Ýíá. Êáé üôáí Þñèáíå óôá ãñÜììáôá: «Ôïýôï äá ôï ìÜèçìá âáóéëéÜ ìïõ», åßðåí ï Èåõè, «èá êÜìç ôïõò Áéãýðôéïõò ðéï óïöïýò, êáé ôï ìíçìïíéêü ôïõò ðéï êáëü, ãéáôß ãéá ôç ìíÞìç êáé ãéá ôç óïößá âñÝèçêå ôï öÜñìáêï». Ï âáóéëéÜò üìùò åßðå: «Ðïëýôåêíå Èåõè, Üëëïò Ý÷åé ôç äýíáìç íá ãåííÜç ôéò ôÝ÷íåò, êé Üëëïò ðÜëé íá êñßíç ðüóï èå íá âëÜøïõí êáé èå íá ùöåëÞóïõí åêåßíïõò ðïõ ìÝëëïõí íá ôéò ìåôá÷åéñéóèïýí. Êáé óõ ôþñá, óáí ðáôÝñáò ôùí ãñáììÜôùí, áðü åýíïéá åßðåò ôï áíôßèåôï áð' åêåßíï ðïõ áõôÜ ìðïñïýí. Ãéáôß ôá ãñáììÜôá óôéò øõ÷Ýò åêåßíùí ðïõ èá ôá ìÜèïõí, èá öÝñïõí ëçóìïíéÜ, ìéá êáé áõôïß èá ðáñáìåëÞóïõí ôç ìíÞìç ôïõò, ãéáôß áðü åìðéóôïóýíç óôç ãñáöÞ èá öÝñíïõí ôá ðñÜãìáôá óôç ìíÞìç ôïõò áð' Ýîù ìå îÝíá óçìÜäéá, ü÷é áðü ìÝóá áðü ôïí åáõôü ôïõò ôïí ßäéï. ¿óôå äåí åõñÞêåò ôï öÜñìáêïãéá ôç ìíÞìç ôçí ßäéá, áëëÜ ãéá ôï íá îáíáöÝñíçò êÜôé óôç èýìçóç. Êé áðü ôç óïößá äßíåéò óôïõò ìáèçôÝò óïõ ìéá äüêçóç, êé ü÷é ôçí áëÞèåéá· ãéáôß Ý÷ïíôáò ðïëëÜ áêïýóåé ÷ùñßò íá ôá äéäá÷èïýíå èÜ÷ïõí ôç ãíþìç ðùò îÝñïõíå ðïëëÜ, åíþ åßíáé áíßäåïé óôá ðéï ðïëëÜ êáé öïñôéêïß óôç óõíôñïöéÜ ôïõò, êáé èá Ý÷ïõí ãßíåé áíôßò óïöïß äïêçóßóïöïé.
    ÖÁÉ. ÓùêñÜôç, åýêïëá óõ ðëÜèåéò éóôïñßåò áéãõðôéáêÝò êáé áð' üðïéá Üëëç ÷þñá èÝëåéò.
    ÓÙ. ¼ìùò, ößëå ìïõ, åêåßíïé ðïõ Þôáíå ìÝóá óôï éåñü ôïõ Äùäùíáßïõ Äßá åßðáí, ðùò ïé ðñþôïé ìáíôéêïß ëüãïé âãÞêáí áðü ìéá äñõ. Óôïõò áíèñþðïõò ëïéðüí åêåßíïõ ôïõ êáéñïý, åðåéäÞ äåí Þôáíå óïöïß, üðùò óåéò ïé íÝïé, ìå ôçí áðëüôçôá ðïõ åß÷áíå, ôïõò Þôáí áñêåôü í' áêïýíå ôç äñõ êáé ôï âñÜ÷ï, öèÜíåé ìïíÜ÷á íá ëÝãáíå áëçèéíÜ ðñÜãìáôá. ¼ìùò åóÝíá óå åíäéáöÝñåé ßóùò, ðïéïò ôá ëÝåé êáé áðü ðïéïí ôüðï åßíáé. Ãéáôß äåí åîåôÜæåéò ìïíÜ÷á ôïýôï, áí ôï ðñÜãìá åßíáé Ýôóé Þ áëëéþò.
    ÖÁÉ. ÓùóôÜ ìå ìÜëùóåò· êáé óå ìÝíá öáßíåôáé ðùò ìå ôá ãñÜììáôá óõìâáßíåé üðùò ëÝåé ï Èçâáßïò.
    ÓÙ. ¼ðïéïò ëïéðüí íïìßæåé ðùò ìÝóá óôá ãñáììÝíá áöÞíåé ãéá ôïõò êáôïðéíïýò êáììéÜ ôÝ÷íç, êáé üðïéïò ðÜëé ðáñáäÝ÷åôáé, ðùò áðü ôá ãñáììÝíá èá âãç ôßðïôå êáèáñü êáé âÝâáéï, èá åßíáé ðïëý áðëïúêüò, êáé ðñáãìáôéêÜ äåí èá îÝñç åêåßíï ðïõ ðñïìÜíôåøå ï ¶ììùíáò, áöïý íïìßæåé ðùò ïé ãñáììÝíïé ëüãïé åßíáé êÜôé ðéï ðïëý áðü ôï íá îáíáèõìßæïõí ôá ðñÜãìáôá ðïõ ëÝíå ôá ãñáöôÜ ó' åêåßíïí ðïõ ôá îÝñåé.
    ÖÁÉ. Ðïëý óùóôÜ.
    ÓÙ. Ãéáôß áõôü äá ôï êáêü, Öáßäñå, Ý÷åé ôï ãñÜøéìï êáé ìïéÜæåé ìá ôçí áëÞèåéá ìå ôç æùãñáöéêÞ. Êé áõôÞò äá ôá Ýñãá óôÝêïíôáé ìðñïóôÜ óïõ óáí íá åßíáé æùíôáíÜ, áí üìùò ôá ñùôÞóçò, óéùðïýíå ìå ðïëëÞ óïâáñïöÜíåéá. Ôï ßäéï ëïéðüí êÜíïõí êáé ïé ãñáììÝíïé ëüãïé: ðáò äçëáäÞ íá ðéóôÝøçò ðùò áõôïß Ý÷ïõíå íüçóç êáé ìéëÜíå, áí üìùò ôïõò ñùôÞóçò êÜôé ãéá êåßíá ðïõ ëÝíå, ãéáôß èÝëåéò íá ôï êáôáëÜâçò, äçëþíïõí Ýíá ìïíÜ÷á ðñÜãìá, ôï ßäéï ðÜíôïôå. Êáé üôáí ìéá öïñÜ ãñáöôÞ, êõëéÝôáé ðáíôïý êÜèå ëüãïò, üìïéá êáé óå êåßíïõò ðïõ ôïí íïéþèïõí, üðùò êáé óå êåßíïõò ðÜëé ðïõ êáèüëïõ äåí ôïõò ôáéñéÜæåé, êáé äåí îÝñåé ï ßäéïò íá ëÝãç ãéá ðïéïõò åßíáé êáé ãéá ðïéïõò äåí åßíáé. Êáé üôáí ôïí êáêïìåôá÷åéñßæùíôáé êáé ôïí êáêïëïãïýí Üäéêá, ðÜíôá Ý÷åé áíÜãêç áðü ôïí ðáôÝñá ôïõ ãéá âïçèü· ãéáôß ï ßäéïò äåí ìðïñåß ïýôå í' áìõíèÞ ïýôå íá âïçèÞóç ôïí åáõôü ôïõ.
    ÖÁÉ. Êáé áõôÜ ðïëý óùóôÜ ôá åßðåò.
    ÓÙ. Êáé ôé; ÂëÝðïìå êáíÝíáí Üëëï ëüãï, áõôïý ãíÞóéï áäåëöü, êáé ìå ðïéï ôñüðï ãåííéÝôáé êáé ðüóï ðéï êáëüò åßíáé áð' áõôüí êáé ðéï äõíáôüò áðü ôç öýóç ôïõ;
    ÖÁÉ. Ðïéïò åßíáé áõôüò êáé ðþò íïìßæåéò ðùò ãßíåôáé;
    ÓÙ. Áõôüò ðïõ ãñÜöåôáé ìå ãíþóç ìÝóá óôçí øõ÷Þ ôïõ ìáèçôÞ, êé Ý÷åé ôç äýíáìç íá õðåñáóðßóç ôïí åáõôü ôïõ, êáé ãíùñßæåé óå ðïéïõò ðñÝðåé íá ìéëÜç êáé óå ðïéïõò íá óùðáßíç.

    ÖÁÉ. Åííïåßò ôï æùíôáíü êáé Ýìøõ÷ï ëüãï ôïõ ãíþóôç, êé áõôïý ôïõ ëüãïõ ï ãñáðôüò óùóôü èá Þôáí íá ëÝãåôáé ïìïßùìá.
    ÓÙ. ¸ôóé åßíáé ïëùóäéüëïõ. Ðåò ìïõ üìùò áõôü åäþ· ï öñüíéìïò ãåùñãüò ôïõò óðüñïõò ðïõ öñïíôßæåé êáé èÝëåé íá êáñðßóïõí, ôé ëåò, ôïõò óðÝñíåé óôá óïâáñÜ ôï êáëïêáßñé åéò ôïõò êÞðïõò ôïõ Áäþíéäïò, êáé ÷áßñåôáé üôáí âëÝðç ðùò áíáäßíïõí üìïñöá ìÝóá óå ï÷ôþ çìÝñåò; Þ ìÞðùò áõôÜ, üôáí ôá êÜíç, ôá êÜíåé áðü ðáé÷íßäé êáé åî áéôßáò ôçò ãéïñôÞò, åíþ ì' üóá êáôáãßíåôáé óôá óïâáñÜ, åêåß ìåôá÷åéñßæåôáé ôç ãåùñãéêÞ ôÝ÷íç, óðÝñíåé êáèþò ðñÝðåé êáé åßíáé åõ÷áñéóôçìÝíïò áí ôïí üãäïï ìÞíá ùñéìÜóïõí üóá Ýóðåéñå;
    ÖÁÉ. ¸ôóé åßíáé, ÓùêñÜôç ìïõ, áõôÜ åäþ èá ôá êÜíç óôá óïâáñÜ, ôÜëëá üìùò ãé' Üëëï ëüãï, ãé' áõôüí ðïõ ëåò.
    ÓÙ. Êé üðïéïò Ý÷åé ôç ãíþóç ãéá ôá äßêáéá êáé ôá üìïñöá êáé ôá êáëÜ, íá åéðïýìå ðùò áõôüò Ý÷åé áðü ôï ãåùñãü ëéãþôåñï íïõ, ãéá íá êáëëéåñãÞóç ôïõò äéêïýò ôïõ óðüñïõò;
    ÖÁÉ. Ìå êáíÝíá ôñüðï.
    ÓÙ. Äåí èá ôïõò ãñÜøç ëïéðüí óôá óïâáñÜ ìå ìåëÜíé, óðÝñíïíôÜò ôïõò ìå ôïí êÜëáìü ôïõ, êáé ìå ëÝîåéò áäýíáìåò íá âïçèÞóïõí ôïí åáõôü ôïõò ìå ëáëéÜ, êé áäýíáìåò íá äéäÜîïõí éêáíïðïéçôéêÜ ôçí áëÞèåéá.
    ÖÁÉ. ¼÷é âÝâáéá, Ýôóé öáßíåôáé.
    ÓÙ. ¼÷é âÝâáéá. ÁëëÜ ôïõò êÞðïõò ìå ôá ãñÜììáôá, üðùò öáßíåôáé, èá ôïõò óðåßñç êáé èá ôïõò ãñÜøç áðü ðáé÷íßäé, áí ôïõò ãñÜøç êáé èçóáõñßæïíôáò ìå âïçèÞìáôá ôç ìíÞìç ôïõ íá ôÜ÷ç êáé ãéá ôïí åáõôü ôïõ, üôáí èá öèÜóç óôï ãÞñáò ðïõ åßíáé üëï ëÞèç, êáé ãéá üðïéïí áêïëïõèåß ôï ßäéï á÷íÜñé. Êáé èá ÷áñÞ üôáí ôïõò âëÝðç íá öõôñþíïõí áðáëÜ. Êáé ôïí êáéñü ðïõ Üëëïé êáôáãßíïíôáé ì' Üëëá ðáé÷íßäéá, êáé ðïôßæïõí ôïí åáõôü ôïõò óå óõìðüóéá êáé ó' Üëëá üóá åßíáé ðáñüìïéá ì' áõôÜ, ôüôå áõôüò, êáèþò öáßíåôáé, áíôßò ì' áõôÜ èá åîáêïëïõèÞ íá ðáßæç ì' åêåßíá ðïõ ëÝãù.
    ÖÁÉ. Ðáíþñéï ðáé÷íßäé âÜæåéò áðÝíáíôé óå ôéðïôÝíéï, ÓùêñÜôç ìïõ, ôï ðáé÷íßäé åêåßíïõ ðïõ ìðïñåß íá ðáßæç ìå ëüãïõò êáé íá ìõèïëïãÞ êáé ãéá ôç äéêáéïóýíç êáé ãéá ôÜëëá ðïõ ïìéëåßò åóý.
    ÓÙ. ¸ôóé âÝâáéá åßíáé, áãÜðçìÝíå ìïõ Öáßäñå. ÁëëÜ ðïëý ðéï üìïñöïò, íïìßæù, ãßíåôáé ï æÞëïò ãé' áõôÜ, üôáí Ýíáò, ÷åéñéæüìåíïò ôç äéáëåêôéêÞ ôÝ÷íç, ðáñáëÜâç êáììéÜ øõ÷Þ ðñüóöïñç, êáé öõôÝøç êáé óðåßñç ìÝóá ôçò ëüãïõò ìå ãíþóç, ðïõ íÜ÷ïõí ôç äýíáìç íá âïçèïýíå êáé ôïí åáõôü ôïõò êáé ôï öõôåõôÞ ôïõò êáé íá ìçí åßíáé Üêáñðïé, áëëÜ íá öÝñíïõí êáñðïýò, êé áð' áõôïýò íá öõôñþíïõí Üëëïé ìÝóá ó' Üëëåò ðÜëéí øõ÷Ýò, êáé íÜ÷ïõí ôç äýíáìç íá äéáôçñïýí áèÜíáôï ìÝóá ôïõò ôï óðÝñìá, êáé íá öÝñíïõí åõäáéìïíßá ó' åêåßíïí ðïõ ôïõò Ý÷åé, üóï ôïýôï ãßíåôáé óôïí Üíèñùðï.
    ÖÁÉ. Áõôü ôï ëåò áêüìá ðéï üìïñöá.


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    ÓÙ. ÌÝíåé üìùò áêüìá íá éäïýìå ðüôå ðñÝðåé êáé ðüôå äåí ðñÝðåé íá óõããñÜöùìå· ìå ðïéïõò üñïõò ç óõããñáöÞ åßíáé êáëü ðñÜãìá, êáé ìå ðïéïõò åßíáé Üó÷çìï.
    ÖÁÉ. Íáé.
    ÓÙ. ÎÝñåéò ëïéðüí ðþò èá êÜìçò ôçí ðéï ìåãÜëç ÷áñÜ óôï èåü ãéá ôïõò ëüãïõò, åßôå üôáí ìéëÜò ï ßäéïò åßôå üôáí äéäÜóêçò ãé' áõôïýò;
    ÖÁÉ. Êáèüëïõ. Êé åóý;
    ÓÙ. ¸÷ù íá åéðþ ü,ôé Üêïõóá áðü ôïõò ðáëéïýò, êé áí åßíáé áëÞèåéá, áõôïß ôï îÝñïõí. Áí üìùò åõñßóêáìå ìüíïé ìáò ôçí áëÞèåéá, Üñáãå èá ìáò Ýìåëå êáèüëïõ ðéá ãéá ôéò áíèñþðéíåò äïîáóßåò;
    ÖÁÉ. Ãåëïßï ðñÜãìá ñþôçóåò. Ìá ðåò áõôÜ ðïõ ëåò ðùò Ý÷åéò áêïõóôÜ.
    ÓÙ. ¶êïõóá ëïéðüí, ðùò ãýñù åêåß óôç Íáýêñáôéí, óôçí Áßãõðôï, õðÜñ÷åé Ýíáò áðü ôïõò ðáëéïýò èåïýò ôïõ ôüðïõ· áõôïý åßíáé êáé ôï éåñü ðïõëß ðïõ ôï ëÝíå ºâé. Êáé ôïõ ßäéïõ ôïõ èåïý ôï üíïìá åßíáé Èåõè. Êé áõôüò ðñþôïò âñÞêå êáé ôïí áñéèìü êáé ôçí áñßèìçóç êáé ôç ãåùìåôñßá êáé ôçí áóôñïíïìßá, áêüìá êáé ôï ðáé÷íßäé ìå ôïõò ðåóóïýò êáé ôï ðáé÷íßäé ìå ôïõò êýâïõò êáé áêüìá êáé ôá ãñÜììáôá. Êáé ôïí êáéñü åêåßíï Þôáíå âáóéëéÜò ó' üëç ôçí Áßãõðôï ï Èáìïýò êé Ýìåíå óôç ìåãÜëç ðüëç ôïõ åðÜíù ôüðïõ, ðïõ ïé ¸ëëçíåò ôçí ïíïìÜæïõí ÁéãõðôéáêÝò ÈÞâåò, êáé ôïí èåü ôïí ïíïìÜæïõí ¶ììùíá· ó' áõôüí Þëèå ï Èåõè êé Ýäåéîå ôéò ôÝ÷íåò ôïõ êáé åßðå, üôé ðñÝðåé íá äéáäïèïýí óôïõò Üëëïõò Áéãýðôéïõò. Êé ï âáóéëéÜò ñþôçóå, ðïéá ùöÝëåéá Ý÷åé êáíåßò áðü ôçí êáèåìéÜ. Êé åíþ åêåßíïò ôá åîçãïýóå, ï âáóéëéÜò ü,ôé íüìéæå ðùò ôï Ýëåãå êáëÜ, ü,ôé íüìéæå ðùò ôï Ýëåãå Üó÷çìá, ôï Ýíá ôï Ýøåãå, ôï Üëëï ôï åðáéíïýóå. ÐïëëÜ ëïéðüí ãéá ôçí êÜèå ôÝ÷íç ÷ùñéóôÜ êáëÜ êáé êáêÜ ëÝíå ðùò ï Èáìïýò åßðå óôïí Èåõè, êáé èá ðïëõëïãïýóáìå, áí ôá ëÝãáìå Ýíá-Ýíá. Êáé üôáí Þñèáíå óôá ãñÜììáôá: «Ôïýôï äá ôï ìÜèçìá âáóéëéÜ ìïõ», åßðåí ï Èåõè, «èá êÜìç ôïõò Áéãýðôéïõò ðéï óïöïýò, êáé ôï ìíçìïíéêü ôïõò ðéï êáëü, ãéáôß ãéá ôç ìíÞìç êáé ãéá ôç óïößá âñÝèçêå ôï öÜñìáêï». Ï âáóéëéÜò üìùò åßðå: «Ðïëýôåêíå Èåõè, Üëëïò Ý÷åé ôç äýíáìç íá ãåííÜç ôéò ôÝ÷íåò, êé Üëëïò ðÜëé íá êñßíç ðüóï èå íá âëÜøïõí êáé èå íá ùöåëÞóïõí åêåßíïõò ðïõ ìÝëëïõí íá ôéò ìåôá÷åéñéóèïýí. Êáé óõ ôþñá, óáí ðáôÝñáò ôùí ãñáììÜôùí, áðü åýíïéá åßðåò ôï áíôßèåôï áð' åêåßíï ðïõ áõôÜ ìðïñïýí. Ãéáôß ôá ãñáììÜôá óôéò øõ÷Ýò åêåßíùí ðïõ èá ôá ìÜèïõí, èá öÝñïõí ëçóìïíéÜ, ìéá êáé áõôïß èá ðáñáìåëÞóïõí ôç ìíÞìç ôïõò, ãéáôß áðü åìðéóôïóýíç óôç ãñáöÞ èá öÝñíïõí ôá ðñÜãìáôá óôç ìíÞìç ôïõò áð' Ýîù ìå îÝíá óçìÜäéá, ü÷é áðü ìÝóá áðü ôïí åáõôü ôïõò ôïí ßäéï. ¿óôå äåí åõñÞêåò ôï öÜñìáêïãéá ôç ìíÞìç ôçí ßäéá, áëëÜ ãéá ôï íá îáíáöÝñíçò êÜôé óôç èýìçóç. Êé áðü ôç óïößá äßíåéò óôïõò ìáèçôÝò óïõ ìéá äüêçóç, êé ü÷é ôçí áëÞèåéá· ãéáôß Ý÷ïíôáò ðïëëÜ áêïýóåé ÷ùñßò íá ôá äéäá÷èïýíå èÜ÷ïõí ôç ãíþìç ðùò îÝñïõíå ðïëëÜ, åíþ åßíáé áíßäåïé óôá ðéï ðïëëÜ êáé öïñôéêïß óôç óõíôñïöéÜ ôïõò, êáé èá Ý÷ïõí ãßíåé áíôßò óïöïß äïêçóßóïöïé.
    ÖÁÉ. ÓùêñÜôç, åýêïëá óõ ðëÜèåéò éóôïñßåò áéãõðôéáêÝò êáé áð' üðïéá Üëëç ÷þñá èÝëåéò.
    ÓÙ. ¼ìùò, ößëå ìïõ, åêåßíïé ðïõ Þôáíå ìÝóá óôï éåñü ôïõ Äùäùíáßïõ Äßá åßðáí, ðùò ïé ðñþôïé ìáíôéêïß ëüãïé âãÞêáí áðü ìéá äñõ. Óôïõò áíèñþðïõò ëïéðüí åêåßíïõ ôïõ êáéñïý, åðåéäÞ äåí Þôáíå óïöïß, üðùò óåéò ïé íÝïé, ìå ôçí áðëüôçôá ðïõ åß÷áíå, ôïõò Þôáí áñêåôü í' áêïýíå ôç äñõ êáé ôï âñÜ÷ï, öèÜíåé ìïíÜ÷á íá ëÝãáíå áëçèéíÜ ðñÜãìáôá. ¼ìùò åóÝíá óå åíäéáöÝñåé ßóùò, ðïéïò ôá ëÝåé êáé áðü ðïéïí ôüðï åßíáé. Ãéáôß äåí åîåôÜæåéò ìïíÜ÷á ôïýôï, áí ôï ðñÜãìá åßíáé Ýôóé Þ áëëéþò.
    ÖÁÉ. ÓùóôÜ ìå ìÜëùóåò· êáé óå ìÝíá öáßíåôáé ðùò ìå ôá ãñÜììáôá óõìâáßíåé üðùò ëÝåé ï Èçâáßïò.
    ÓÙ. ¼ðïéïò ëïéðüí íïìßæåé ðùò ìÝóá óôá ãñáììÝíá áöÞíåé ãéá ôïõò êáôïðéíïýò êáììéÜ ôÝ÷íç, êáé üðïéïò ðÜëé ðáñáäÝ÷åôáé, ðùò áðü ôá ãñáììÝíá èá âãç ôßðïôå êáèáñü êáé âÝâáéï, èá åßíáé ðïëý áðëïúêüò, êáé ðñáãìáôéêÜ äåí èá îÝñç åêåßíï ðïõ ðñïìÜíôåøå ï ¶ììùíáò, áöïý íïìßæåé ðùò ïé ãñáììÝíïé ëüãïé åßíáé êÜôé ðéï ðïëý áðü ôï íá îáíáèõìßæïõí ôá ðñÜãìáôá ðïõ ëÝíå ôá ãñáöôÜ ó' åêåßíïí ðïõ ôá îÝñåé.
    ÖÁÉ. Ðïëý óùóôÜ.
    ÓÙ. Ãéáôß áõôü äá ôï êáêü, Öáßäñå, Ý÷åé ôï ãñÜøéìï êáé ìïéÜæåé ìá ôçí áëÞèåéá ìå ôç æùãñáöéêÞ. Êé áõôÞò äá ôá Ýñãá óôÝêïíôáé ìðñïóôÜ óïõ óáí íá åßíáé æùíôáíÜ, áí üìùò ôá ñùôÞóçò, óéùðïýíå ìå ðïëëÞ óïâáñïöÜíåéá. Ôï ßäéï ëïéðüí êÜíïõí êáé ïé ãñáììÝíïé ëüãïé: ðáò äçëáäÞ íá ðéóôÝøçò ðùò áõôïß Ý÷ïõíå íüçóç êáé ìéëÜíå, áí üìùò ôïõò ñùôÞóçò êÜôé ãéá êåßíá ðïõ ëÝíå, ãéáôß èÝëåéò íá ôï êáôáëÜâçò, äçëþíïõí Ýíá ìïíÜ÷á ðñÜãìá, ôï ßäéï ðÜíôïôå. Êáé üôáí ìéá öïñÜ ãñáöôÞ, êõëéÝôáé ðáíôïý êÜèå ëüãïò, üìïéá êáé óå êåßíïõò ðïõ ôïí íïéþèïõí, üðùò êáé óå êåßíïõò ðÜëé ðïõ êáèüëïõ äåí ôïõò ôáéñéÜæåé, êáé äåí îÝñåé ï ßäéïò íá ëÝãç ãéá ðïéïõò åßíáé êáé ãéá ðïéïõò äåí åßíáé. Êáé üôáí ôïí êáêïìåôá÷åéñßæùíôáé êáé ôïí êáêïëïãïýí Üäéêá, ðÜíôá Ý÷åé áíÜãêç áðü ôïí ðáôÝñá ôïõ ãéá âïçèü· ãéáôß ï ßäéïò äåí ìðïñåß ïýôå í' áìõíèÞ ïýôå íá âïçèÞóç ôïí åáõôü ôïõ.
    ÖÁÉ. Êáé áõôÜ ðïëý óùóôÜ ôá åßðåò.
    ÓÙ. Êáé ôé; ÂëÝðïìå êáíÝíáí Üëëï ëüãï, áõôïý ãíÞóéï áäåëöü, êáé ìå ðïéï ôñüðï ãåííéÝôáé êáé ðüóï ðéï êáëüò åßíáé áð' áõôüí êáé ðéï äõíáôüò áðü ôç öýóç ôïõ;
    ÖÁÉ. Ðïéïò åßíáé áõôüò êáé ðþò íïìßæåéò ðùò ãßíåôáé;
    ÓÙ. Áõôüò ðïõ ãñÜöåôáé ìå ãíþóç ìÝóá óôçí øõ÷Þ ôïõ ìáèçôÞ, êé Ý÷åé ôç äýíáìç íá õðåñáóðßóç ôïí åáõôü ôïõ, êáé ãíùñßæåé óå ðïéïõò ðñÝðåé íá ìéëÜç êáé óå ðïéïõò íá óùðáßíç.

    ÖÁÉ. Åííïåßò ôï æùíôáíü êáé Ýìøõ÷ï ëüãï ôïõ ãíþóôç, êé áõôïý ôïõ ëüãïõ ï ãñáðôüò óùóôü èá Þôáí íá ëÝãåôáé ïìïßùìá.
    ÓÙ. ¸ôóé åßíáé ïëùóäéüëïõ. Ðåò ìïõ üìùò áõôü åäþ· ï öñüíéìïò ãåùñãüò ôïõò óðüñïõò ðïõ öñïíôßæåé êáé èÝëåé íá êáñðßóïõí, ôé ëåò, ôïõò óðÝñíåé óôá óïâáñÜ ôï êáëïêáßñé åéò ôïõò êÞðïõò ôïõ Áäþíéäïò, êáé ÷áßñåôáé üôáí âëÝðç ðùò áíáäßíïõí üìïñöá ìÝóá óå ï÷ôþ çìÝñåò; Þ ìÞðùò áõôÜ, üôáí ôá êÜíç, ôá êÜíåé áðü ðáé÷íßäé êáé åî áéôßáò ôçò ãéïñôÞò, åíþ ì' üóá êáôáãßíåôáé óôá óïâáñÜ, åêåß ìåôá÷åéñßæåôáé ôç ãåùñãéêÞ ôÝ÷íç, óðÝñíåé êáèþò ðñÝðåé êáé åßíáé åõ÷áñéóôçìÝíïò áí ôïí üãäïï ìÞíá ùñéìÜóïõí üóá Ýóðåéñå;
    ÖÁÉ. ¸ôóé åßíáé, ÓùêñÜôç ìïõ, áõôÜ åäþ èá ôá êÜíç óôá óïâáñÜ, ôÜëëá üìùò ãé' Üëëï ëüãï, ãé' áõôüí ðïõ ëåò.
    ÓÙ. Êé üðïéïò Ý÷åé ôç ãíþóç ãéá ôá äßêáéá êáé ôá üìïñöá êáé ôá êáëÜ, íá åéðïýìå ðùò áõôüò Ý÷åé áðü ôï ãåùñãü ëéãþôåñï íïõ, ãéá íá êáëëéåñãÞóç ôïõò äéêïýò ôïõ óðüñïõò;
    ÖÁÉ. Ìå êáíÝíá ôñüðï.
    ÓÙ. Äåí èá ôïõò ãñÜøç ëïéðüí óôá óïâáñÜ ìå ìåëÜíé, óðÝñíïíôÜò ôïõò ìå ôïí êÜëáìü ôïõ, êáé ìå ëÝîåéò áäýíáìåò íá âïçèÞóïõí ôïí åáõôü ôïõò ìå ëáëéÜ, êé áäýíáìåò íá äéäÜîïõí éêáíïðïéçôéêÜ ôçí áëÞèåéá.
    ÖÁÉ. ¼÷é âÝâáéá, Ýôóé öáßíåôáé.
    ÓÙ. ¼÷é âÝâáéá. ÁëëÜ ôïõò êÞðïõò ìå ôá ãñÜììáôá, üðùò öáßíåôáé, èá ôïõò óðåßñç êáé èá ôïõò ãñÜøç áðü ðáé÷íßäé, áí ôïõò ãñÜøç êáé èçóáõñßæïíôáò ìå âïçèÞìáôá ôç ìíÞìç ôïõ íá ôÜ÷ç êáé ãéá ôïí åáõôü ôïõ, üôáí èá öèÜóç óôï ãÞñáò ðïõ åßíáé üëï ëÞèç, êáé ãéá üðïéïí áêïëïõèåß ôï ßäéï á÷íÜñé. Êáé èá ÷áñÞ üôáí ôïõò âëÝðç íá öõôñþíïõí áðáëÜ. Êáé ôïí êáéñü ðïõ Üëëïé êáôáãßíïíôáé ì' Üëëá ðáé÷íßäéá, êáé ðïôßæïõí ôïí åáõôü ôïõò óå óõìðüóéá êáé ó' Üëëá üóá åßíáé ðáñüìïéá ì' áõôÜ, ôüôå áõôüò, êáèþò öáßíåôáé, áíôßò ì' áõôÜ èá åîáêïëïõèÞ íá ðáßæç ì' åêåßíá ðïõ ëÝãù.
    ÖÁÉ. Ðáíþñéï ðáé÷íßäé âÜæåéò áðÝíáíôé óå ôéðïôÝíéï, ÓùêñÜôç ìïõ, ôï ðáé÷íßäé åêåßíïõ ðïõ ìðïñåß íá ðáßæç ìå ëüãïõò êáé íá ìõèïëïãÞ êáé ãéá ôç äéêáéïóýíç êáé ãéá ôÜëëá ðïõ ïìéëåßò åóý.
    ÓÙ. ¸ôóé âÝâáéá åßíáé, áãÜðçìÝíå ìïõ Öáßäñå. ÁëëÜ ðïëý ðéï üìïñöïò, íïìßæù, ãßíåôáé ï æÞëïò ãé' áõôÜ, üôáí Ýíáò, ÷åéñéæüìåíïò ôç äéáëåêôéêÞ ôÝ÷íç, ðáñáëÜâç êáììéÜ øõ÷Þ ðñüóöïñç, êáé öõôÝøç êáé óðåßñç ìÝóá ôçò ëüãïõò ìå ãíþóç, ðïõ íÜ÷ïõí ôç äýíáìç íá âïçèïýíå êáé ôïí åáõôü ôïõò êáé ôï öõôåõôÞ ôïõò êáé íá ìçí åßíáé Üêáñðïé, áëëÜ íá öÝñíïõí êáñðïýò, êé áð' áõôïýò íá öõôñþíïõí Üëëïé ìÝóá ó' Üëëåò ðÜëéí øõ÷Ýò, êáé íÜ÷ïõí ôç äýíáìç íá äéáôçñïýí áèÜíáôï ìÝóá ôïõò ôï óðÝñìá, êáé íá öÝñíïõí åõäáéìïíßá ó' åêåßíïí ðïõ ôïõò Ý÷åé, üóï ôïýôï ãßíåôáé óôïí Üíèñùðï.
    ÖÁÉ. Áõôü ôï ëåò áêüìá ðéï üìïñöá.
    A single thought begins to grow in his mind, extracted from something he read in the dialogue Phaedrus. "And what is written well and what is written badly—need we ask Lysias, or any other poet or orator, who ever wrote or will write either a political or any other work, in metre or out of metre, poet or prose writer, to teach us this?"
    What is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good—need we ask anyone to tell us these things?

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0205#post10205

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0206#post10206

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0208#post10208

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0209#post10209

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0211#post10211

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0213#post10213

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0217#post10217

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0220#post10220
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X15P...el=HipTonyXtra


    Full album parts one and part two at (22:40). LYRICS ARE IN THE COMMENTS.
    Ah, this...

    Spins me back down the years
    And the days of my youth
    Draws the lace and black curtains
    And shuts out the whole truth
    Spins me down the long ages
    Lets them sing the song

    The Poet and the Painter
    Casting shadows on the water
    As the sun plays on the infantry
    Returning from the sea
    The bleeding hearts and the artists
    Transcending their existence
    Providing all the essence
    Make their stand

    And when they've given you their all
    Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
    Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall

    https://youtu.be/3uPC7pmew3U
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus View Post
    A single thought begins to grow in his mind, extracted from something he read in the dialogue Phaedrus. "And what is written well and what is written badly—need we ask Lysias, or any other poet or orator, who ever wrote or will write either a political or any other work, in metre or out of metre, poet or prose writer, to teach us this?"
    What is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good—need we ask anyone to tell us these things?

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0205#post10205

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0206#post10206

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0208#post10208

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0209#post10209

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0211#post10211

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0213#post10213

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0217#post10217

    http://www.avmentor.eu/forum/showthr...0220#post10220
    Íáé íáé, üìùò êñßìá íá ìçí ãñÜøïõìå êÜôé áðü áõôÜ, ãéá áõôÜ êáé óôç ìçôñéêÞ ãëþóóá êáé ìå êÜðïéá äéáäéêáóßá áò ðïýìå äéáóêåäáóôéêÞ.
    Last edited by Vassilis; 10-03-2020 at 03:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus View Post
    Ah, this...

    Spins me back down the years
    And the days of my youth
    Draws the lace and black curtains
    And shuts out the whole truth
    Spins me down the long ages
    Lets them sing the song

    The Poet and the Painter
    Casting shadows on the water
    As the sun plays on the infantry
    Returning from the sea
    The bleeding hearts and the artists
    Transcending their existence
    Providing all the essence
    Make their stand

    And when they've given you their all
    Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
    Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall

    https://youtu.be/3uPC7pmew3U
    Ðïëὺ ãá½°ñ ôïῦôá¾½ á¼”ôé êÜëëéïí ëÝãåéò.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus View Post
    Ah, this...

    Spins me back down the years
    And the days of my youth
    Draws the lace and black curtains
    And shuts out the whole truth
    Spins me down the long ages
    Lets them sing the song

    The Poet and the Painter
    Casting shadows on the water
    As the sun plays on the infantry
    Returning from the sea
    The bleeding hearts and the artists
    Transcending their existence
    Providing all the essence
    Make their stand

    And when they've given you their all
    Some stagger and fall, after all it's not easy
    Banging your heart against some mad bugger's wall

    https://youtu.be/3uPC7pmew3U
    ÖÁÉ. Áõôü ôï ëåò áêüìá ðéï üìïñöá.

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    Default Lost in Translation

    Quote Originally Posted by Vassilis View Post
    Íáé íáé, üìùò êñßìá íá ìçí ãñÜøïõìå êÜôé áðü áõôÜ, ãéá áõôÜ êáé óôç ìçôñéêÞ ãëþóóá êáé ìå êÜðïéá äéáäéêáóßá áò ðïýìå äéáóêåäáóôéêÞ.
    Hulusi Akar(l) my friend!

    I think there's some sort of misunderstanding going on. Let me explain: I, actually, do not speak Greek, I use Google-translate to communicate with non-english speaking people. Needless to say about the passages you quoted, that they 're all ... Greek to me.

    If you haven't noticed I'm a Platypus and...

    I come from a land down under
    Where beer does flow and men chunder

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfR9iY5y94s


    However, do not despair, I'll see what I can do to accomodate your request...

    Until then!
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    Default Side Effects of Obsessive Interest in High Fidelity among Medical Professionals

    According to a recent study, published in the American Journal of Psychiatry, medical professionals exhibiting an obsessive interest in High Fidelity and active participation in audio-visual discussion forums are certain to develop severe alopecia as well as a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, that is present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

    1. have a grandiose sense of self-importance

    2. are preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, money, brillance, beauty, or ideal love

    4. believe that they are "special" and unique

    5. require excessive admiration

    6. have a sense of entitlement

    7. are interpersonally exploitative

    8. lack empathy

    9. are often envious of others or believe others are envious of them

    10. show arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

    11. firmly believe that eggs cannot be dyed by farts

    12. firmly believe that all others, out of jealousy, are being petty wishing "the neighbor's goat must die"
    Last edited by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus; 10-04-2020 at 02:04 AM.
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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