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    Default Ôï ìÝëëïí ôïõ âégíõgëßïõ

    ÄéáâÜæù óå êáíáäéêü óÜéô åíá Üñèñï ó÷åôéêÜ ìå ôçí áñ÷Þ ôïõ ôÝëïõò ôçò áíÜêáìøçò ôïõ âéíõëßïõ.

    Ç áñ÷Þ åßíáé ðïëý åíäéáöÝñïõóá:

    My regular record dealer was over at the house the other day looking to buy some vinyl I didn¢t need anymore.

    “It¢s over, man,” he said. “It was a really good run, but the whole vinyl thing is over. Yeah, COVID has been a problem, but there¢s more to it. It¢s the labels.

    “They got greedy. Have you seen what they¢re charging for a new record? Some single discs selling for $40! Insane. That¢s gouging. No wonder sales have dropped.”

    Not just dropped but cratered.

    Ôá õðüëïéðá åêåß:

    https://globalnews.ca/news/7301156/c...s-trouble/amp/


    Ìðïñåß íá äéáöùíÞóåé êáíåßò;

    ÊÜðïôå åß÷å ðåé ï Wim Wenders:

    My advice is, don't spend money on therapy.
    Spend it in a record store.

    ÐÜù, ëïéðüí, ôçí ðñïçãïýìåíç åâäïìÜäá óôï Public ãéá shopping therapy. ÕðÞñ÷áí ìðüëéêïé äßóêïé äéáèÝóéìïé, ôé íá ðñùôïðÜñåéò. ÄéáëÝãù ôñåéò:

    https://www.public.gr/product/lovely...=prod8680014pp

    https://www.public.gr/product/ghoste...prod10234217pp

    https://www.public.gr/product/coming...prod10212133pp

    ÐÜù ôáìåßï êáé ç ëõðçôåñÞ áíÝñ÷åôáé óôá 94 åõñþ êáé ìáæß ìå Ýíá âéâëßï ôïõ Don Dellilo îåðåñÜóôçêå ôï øõ÷ïëïãéêü üñéï ôùí 100 åõñþ. Ãéá ôñåéò äßóêïõò ìüíï... ÐñáãìáôéêÜ äåí Ý÷åé íüçìá áõôü, åßíáé ôñÝëá.

    ÓõìðÝñáóìá: ç âëáêåßá êáé ç áðëçóôßá ôùí åôáéñåéþí åßíáé ìÝãåèïò Üðåéñï åíôüò åíüò ðåðåñáóìÝíïõ óýìðáíôïò.
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    ÊÜðïéïé êõíéêïß êáêïðñïáßñåôïé, ìÜëéóôá, èá Ýëåãáí üôé ç áíÜêáìøç ôïõ âéíõëßïõ êáé ç ðñïóðÜèåéá áíáâÜèìéóÞò ôïõ óå cult, Ý÷åé áðü ðßóù ôçò ìéá åíôåëþò óôéãíÞ õðïëïãéóôéêÞ ðïëéôéêÞ. Ðïëý áðëÜ, ïé äßóêïé âéíõëßïõ äåí áíôéãñÜöïíôáé. Åßíáé ôï éäáíéêü ìÝóïí ãéá íá äçìéïõñãÞóåéò (Þ, ðéï óùóôÜ, íá áíáóôçëþóåéò!) Ýíá ìïíïðþëéï!

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    ÊÜðïéïé êõíéêïß êáêïðñïáßñåôïé, ìÜëéóôá, èá Ýëåãáí üôé ç áíÜêáìøç ôïõ âéíõëßïõ êáé ç ðñïóðÜèåéá áíáâÜèìéóÞò ôïõ óå cult, Ý÷åé áðü ðßóù ôçò ìéá åíôåëþò óôéãíÞ õðïëïãéóôéêÞ ðïëéôéêÞ. Ðïëý áðëÜ, ïé äßóêïé âéíõëßïõ äåí áíôéãñÜöïíôáé. Åßíáé ôï éäáíéêü ìÝóïí ãéá íá äçìéïõñãÞóåéò (Þ, ðéï óùóôÜ, íá áíáóôçëþóåéò!) Ýíá ìïíïðþëéï!
    Ìå âÜóç áõôÜ ðïõ ðáñáôçñþ êáé äéáðéóôþíù åßíáé ðïëý äýóêïëï, åí ðñïêåéìÝíù, íá äéáöùíÞóåé êÜðïéïò ðåéóôéêÜ ìå ôïõò ... êáêïðñïáßñåôïõò êõíéêïýò.

    Ç ôñáãéêÞ åéñùíåßá ôçò õðüèåóçò åßíáé üôé ïé äéóêïãñáöéêÝò åôáéñåßåò åß÷áí óôá ÷Ýñéá ôïõò éó÷õñÜ äéáìïñöùìÝíï ôï óõãêåêñéìÝíï ìïíïðþëéï êáé ìÜëéóôá óå óõíèÞêåò ìáæéêÞò ðáñáãùãÞò (êÜôé ðïõ åß÷å ôá üðïéá ïöÝëç ôüóï ãéá ìáò ôïõò ëÜôñåéò ôçò ìïõóéêÞò êáé êáôáíáëùôÝò ôïõ "ðñïúüíôïò" ôïõò, üóï êáé ãéá ôïõò êáëëéôÝ÷íåò - ðÜíôá óå ó÷Ýóç ìå ôï óÞìåñá).

    Ïé åôáéñåßåò, üìùò, äåí ìðïñïýóáí íá áñêåóôïýí óôï ôüôå ìÝãåèïò êáé ôïõò ñõèìïýò áýîçóçò ôçò áãïñÜò.

    ÊÜðïéïé åíäå÷ïìÝíùò íá èõìïýíôáé ôï óëüãêáí ìå ôï ïðïßï ëáíóáñßóôçêå/åðéâëÞèçêå ôï CD: ÔÝëåéïò Þ÷ïò ãéá ðÜíôá. Äõóôõ÷þò ôï CD ôüôå ïýôå ôÝëåéï Þ÷ï åß÷å áëëÜ ïýôå Þôáí êáé ãéá ðÜíôá (ìðïñåß ïñéáêÜ íá Þôáí ãéá êïÜëá êé áõôü ìå åðéöýëáîç). Åííïåßôáé üôé áõôÝò ïé ßäéåò ïé äéóêïãñáöéêÝò åôáéñåßåò ðñïùèïýóáí ôï CD ìå êÜèå èåìéôü êáé áèÝìéôï ôñüðï.

    Åßíáé ðåñßðïõ 30 ÷ñüíéá ôþñá êáé ôï èõìÜìáé óáí íá Ýãéíå ÷ôåò. ÊÜðïéåò ìÝñåò ìåôÜ áðü ôç óõíáõëßá ôïõ Bob Geldof óôïí Ëõêáâçôôü (êáëïêáßñé ôïõ 1990) áíáæÞôçóá êáé âñÞêá ôïí äßóêï ðïõ ìüëéò åß÷å êõêëïöïñÞóåé ìå ôßôëï The Vegetarians of Love. Óôçí ôñßôç-ôÝôáñôç áêñüáóç ï äßóêïò Þôáí ðñáêôéêÜ Ü÷ñçóôïò. Ôüóï Üèëéá ðïéüôçôá êáôáóêåõÞò "Ýôõ÷å" íá Ý÷åé.

    ÔÝëïò ðÜíôùí (êáé êïÜëùí), óôçí ðåñßðôùóç ôçò âëáêåßáò êáé áðëçóôßáò ôùí äéóêïãñáöéêþí åôáéñåéþí, ïé ïðïßåò ëïãÜñéáæáí ÷ùñßò ôïí îåíïäü÷ï, õðÞñîå èåßá äßêç: ôï ðóçöéáêü áñ÷åßï ìðïñåß íá áíôéãñáöåß ìå ôçí ßäéá áêñéâþò ðïéüôçôá. Óôïí ñüëï ôïõ îåíïäü÷ïõ Þôáí ç åîÝëéîç ôçò ôå÷íïëïãßáò (åããñáöåßò CD, õðïëïãéóôÝò, ëïãéóìéêü êáé ßíôåñíåô).

    Ìçí Ý÷ïíôáò äéäá÷èåß áðü ôï ðáñåëèüí ïé äéóêïãñáöéêÝò åôáéñåßåò åðéäéþêïõí "íá äçìéïõñãÞóïõí (Þ, ðéï óùóôÜ, íá áíáóôçëþóïõí!) Ýíá ìïíïðþëéï!". ÐÜëé üìùò ëïãáñéÜæïõí ÷ùñßò ôïí îåíïäü÷ï ï ïðïßïò, åí ðñïêåéìÝíù, åßíáé ïé ôñïìåñÝò áëëáãÝò ðïõ óõíôåëïýíôáé åí ìÝóù åíüò óõíäõáóìïý åíüò (ïõóéáóôéêÜ) ïéêïíïìéêïý êñá÷ êáé ôçò ðáíäçìßáò. Ïé ÷ßðóôåñò ìåéþíïíôáé, ïé ìüäåò Ýñ÷ïíôáé êáé ðáñÝñ÷ïíôáé (áëëÜ åíßïôå ìáôáîáíáåðéóôñÝöïõí), ïé êïëëçìÝíïé ãçñÜóêïõí êáé áðï÷ùñïýí (ìåôáöïñéêÜ êáé êõñéïëåêôéêÜ).

    Áò ìáôáîáíáåðáíáëÜâù, ëïéðüí üôé ç âëáêåßá êáé ç áðëçóôßá ôùí äéóêïãñáöéêþí åôáéñåéþí åßíáé ìÝãåèïò Üðåéñï åíôüò åíüò ðåðåñáóìÝíïõ óýìðáíôïò.
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    ÐñïóðÜèçóáí íá ôá ðïõí üëá ï ÔæÜãêåñ êáé ï ÓêïñóÝæå, åäþ:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_(TV_series)
    ÊñÜôçóå ëßãï, áëëÜ Þôáí ðïëý åíäéáöÝñïí. ¼ðïéïò ìðïñåß, áîßæåé íá äåé ìåñéêÜ åðåéóüäéá... Íïìßæù üôé ðáñáÞôáí áêñéâÝò êáé äåí ôï óÞêùíå "ç áãïñÜ"!
    Last edited by dStam; 09-03-2020 at 02:47 PM.

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    ÐñïóðÜèçóáí íá ôá ðïõí üëá ï ÔæÜãêåñ êáé ï ÓêïñóÝæå, åäþ:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_(TV_series)
    ÊñÜôçóå ëßãï, áëëÜ Þôáí ðïëý åíäéáöÝñïí. ¼ðïéïò ìðïñåß, áîßæåé íá äåé ìåñéêÜ åðåéóüäéá... Íïìßæù üôé ðáñáÞôáí áêñéâÝò êáé ôï óÞêùíå "ç áãïñÜ"!
    Ëïéðüí áõôü åßíáé áðßóôåõôç óýìðôùóç äéüôé åäþ êáé ëßãåò ìÝñåò Ý÷ù áñ÷ßóåé íá ðáñáêïëïõèþ ôç óåéñÜ óôçí TV ìéáò ãíùóôÞò åôáéñåßáò êéíçôÞò ôçëåöùíßáò (ü÷é ôçò ãåñìáíéêÞò).

    Åßíáé áñêåôÜ åíäéáöÝñïõóá êáé ðïëý óêëçñÜ ñåáëéóôéêÞ. Èá åðáíÝëèù óôï èÝìá üôáí èá ôçí Ý÷ù äåé ïëüêëçñç.
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    Default Ðåñß öüñïõì êáé audiophools

    Ðåñéðëáíüìåíïò óôïí êõâåñíï÷þñï ðñüóåîá ôá áêüëïõèá (ç Ýìöáóç äéêÞ ìïõ):

    And whilst being big fans of Tom Waits, we also share the undeniably bold-but-regretable opinion that the online conversation about audio – the one that takes place across Facebook groups, forums and website comments sections – is constantly being waterboarded by a loud but persistent minority of over-sized egos all too ready to tell you in two sentences why something is shit and why you¢re an idiot for choosing it. The late Art Dudley more eloquently explored the phenomenon of duelling egos in his ¡Listening 196¢ column for Stereophile:

    “Less harmless are those audio enthusiasts who are least secure: those whose toxic rage at a world that does not accept the authority of their opinionsa world that persists in enjoying recorded music in ways of which they do not approve—accomplishes nothing other than making our hobby seem repellant.”

    https://darko.audio/2020/09/hi-fi-he...-the-red-barn/

    ÊÜðïéá, äå, áðü áõôÜ ôá õðåñôñïöéêÜ åãþ, Ýìöïñôá êÜèå ëïãÞò óõìðëåãìÜôùí êáé øõ÷éêþí äéáôáñá÷þí, óå åêñÞîåéò "äéêáßáò áãáíÜêôçóçò" (üðïõ áðïêáëýðôïõí ôïí ðñáãìáôéêü ôïõò åáõôüí) öôÜíïõí óôï óçìåßï íá áðáéôïýí áðü Üëëá ìÝëç íá ðÜøïõí íá ãñÜöïõí óå èÝìáôá ðïõ ïé ßäéïé èåùñïýí üôé ðåñéâÜëëïíôáé áðü ôçí Áãßá Áýñá ôçò "óïâáñüôçôáò" êáé "åðéóôçìïíéêüôçôáò". Åí ôù ìåôáîý ç óôïé÷åéþäçò êïéíùíéêÞ åõðñïóçãïñßá áðï÷ùñåß, äéáêñéôéêÜ, ãéá äéáêïðÝò...

    ÅéñÞóèù åí ðáñüäù ìðïñåß êáíåßò íá ìïõ ðåé, ìå óôïé÷åéùäþò óïâáñÜ äïìçìÝíç åðé÷åéñçìáôïëïãßá, ãéáôß ôï ðáñüí öüñïõì åßíáé áäñáíÝò åðß ôüóá ðïëëÜ ÷ñüíéá;
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornithorhynchus Anatinus View Post
    ÅéñÞóèù åí ðáñüäù ìðïñåß êáíåßò íá ìïõ ðåé, ìå óôïé÷åéùäþò óïâáñÜ äïìçìÝíç åðé÷åéñçìáôïëïãßá, ãéáôß ôï ðáñüí öüñïõì åßíáé áäñáíÝò åðß ôüóá ðïëëÜ ÷ñüíéá;
    Êýñéåêýñéåêýñéå... Åãþ! ÎÝñù. Íáðþ;íáðþ;


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    Êýñéåêýñéåêýñéå... Åãþ! ÎÝñù. Íáðþ;íáðþ;

    Äþóå ðüíïïïïïïïï... 🤪
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
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    Ìðá... Ôß ðüíï;

    Ç ðñáãìáôéêüôçôá åßíáé ìÜëëïí ðåæÞ. Ôï öüñïõì ôïõ avmentor óôÞèçêå ùò ìéá ðñüóèåôç õðçñåóßá óôïõò áíáãíþóôåò ôïõ site êáé ü÷é ùò ðñïúïí/ìÝóï êáè'áõôü.

    Ç éäÝá Þôáí íá äçìéïõñãçèåß Ýíáò ÷þñïò óõæÞôçóçò/áíôáëëáãÞò áðüøåùí, ðüñùí êáé éäåþí ðÜíù óå èÝìáôá audio, ìå åðé÷åéñÞìáôá êáé êÜðïéá óôïé÷åéþäç ðñïóôéèÝìåíç áîßá ãéá üëïõò êáé ü÷é ùò Ýíáò ÷þñïò øõ÷áíÜëõóçò/áðïöüñôéóçò ôùí ìåëþí Þ ùò Ýíá ìÝóï áýîçóçò ôùí åðéóêÝøåùí Þ ôçò äçìïôéêüôçôáò ôïõ avmentor.gr (áí êáé êÜôé ôÝôïéï äåí èá Þôáí áðåõêôáßï, åííïåßôáé!).

    Ùóôüóï, áõôÞ ç ðñïóÝããéóç äåí öÜíçêå íá áðïäßäåé. ÊáôÜ ôçí ÜðïøÞ ìïõ, áõôü ïöåßëåôáé, ìÜëëïí, óôï üôé ï óïâáñüò ãñáðôüò ëüãïò (äçëáäÞ ç äçìéïõñãßá åíüò êåéìÝíïõ ðïõ åßíáé ÷ñÞóéìï, Ýóôù êáé ùò êáëáìðïýñé) áðáéôåß êÜðïéá ðñïóðÜèåéá êáé ç åðéêïéíùíßá ìÝóù áõôïý (äçëáäÞ ç áíôáëëáãÞ êåéìÝíùí ìå åðé÷åéñÞìáôá) áðáéôåß áêüìç ìåãáëýôåñç. Ãéá íá ôï ðù ÷ïíôñÜ, ðñÝðåé íá äéáâÜæåéò ðåñéóóüôåñåò ëÝîåéò áðü áõôÝò ðïõ ãñÜöåéò êáé ü÷é ôï áíôßóôñïöï.

    ÅëÜ÷éóôá ìÝëç áêïëïýèçóáí, ãéá ëßãï êáéñü. Ç äéá÷åßñéóç ôïõ öüñïõì Þôáí êáé ðáñáìÝíåé óôïé÷åéþäçò, ÷ùñßò áóôõíüìåõóç (ðëçí ôçò áðáñáßôçôçò ãéá íá ôçñåßôáé ç íïìéìüôçôá), ôáêôéêÞ áíÜñôçóç ðñïêëçôéêþí äçìïóéåýåóåùí êáé ãåíéêþò ðïëý êïõâÝíôá áðü ôïí äéá÷åéñéóôÞ, ï ïðïßïò äåí èåùñåß üôé ðñÝðåé íá öõôñþíåé óõíå÷þò ðáíôïý êáé íá ïñßæåé ôéò óõæçôÞóåéò.

    Áðëþò äåí ëåéôïýñãçóå...

    õ.ã.: ¸÷ïíôáò ùò äåäïìÝíï ôïí ðïëý ìéêñü áñéèìü ôÝôïéùí åã÷åéñçìÜôùí ðïõ Ý÷ïõí åõäïêéìÞóåé ðáãêïóìßùò (ôá ðåñéóóüôåñá âáóéóìÝíá óôçí áããëéêÞ Þ êÜðïéá Üëëç éó÷õñÞ ãëþóóá), ßóùò äåí Ý÷ïõìå óôïí åëëçíéêü êõâåñíï÷þñï ôçí áðáñáßôçôç, êñßóéìç, ìÜæá ãéá ôçí äçìéïõñãßá åíüò ôÝôïéïõ öüñïõì. Ãíùñßæù üôé óõìâáßíåé êáé óå Üëëïõò ÷þñïõò áõôü.

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    ÅéñÞóèù åí ðáñüäù ìðïñåß êáíåßò íá ìïõ ðåé, ìå óôïé÷åéùäþò óïâáñÜ äïìçìÝíç åðé÷åéñçìáôïëïãßá, ãéáôß ôï ðáñüí öüñïõì åßíáé áäñáíÝò åðß ôüóá ðïëëÜ ÷ñüíéá;
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    Ìðá... Ôß ðüíï;

    Ç ðñáãìáôéêüôçôá åßíáé ìÜëëïí ðåæÞ.

    ÊáôÜ ôçí ÜðïøÞ ìïõ, áõôü ïöåßëåôáé, ìÜëëïí, óôï üôé ï óïâáñüò ãñáðôüò ëüãïò (äçëáäÞ ç äçìéïõñãßá åíüò êåéìÝíïõ ðïõ åßíáé ÷ñÞóéìï, Ýóôù êáé ùò êáëáìðïýñé) áðáéôåß êÜðïéá ðñïóðÜèåéá êáé ç åðéêïéíùíßá ìÝóù áõôïý (äçëáäÞ ç áíôáëëáãÞ êåéìÝíùí ìå åðé÷åéñÞìáôá) áðáéôåß áêüìç ìåãáëýôåñç. Ãéá íá ôï ðù ÷ïíôñÜ, ðñÝðåé íá äéáâÜæåéò ðåñéóóüôåñåò ëÝîåéò áðü áõôÝò ðïõ ãñÜöåéò êáé ü÷é ôï áíôßóôñïöï.

    Áðëþò äåí ëåéôïýñãçóå...

    õ.ã.: ¸÷ïíôáò ùò äåäïìÝíï ôïí ðïëý ìéêñü áñéèìü ôÝôïéùí åã÷åéñçìÜôùí ðïõ Ý÷ïõí åõäïêéìÞóåé ðáãêïóìßùò (ôá ðåñéóóüôåñá âáóéóìÝíá óôçí áããëéêÞ Þ êÜðïéá Üëëç éó÷õñÞ ãëþóóá), ßóùò äåí Ý÷ïõìå óôïí åëëçíéêü êõâåñíï÷þñï ôçí áðáñáßôçôç, êñßóéìç, ìÜæá ãéá ôçí äçìéïõñãßá åíüò ôÝôïéïõ öüñïõì. Ãíùñßæù üôé óõìâáßíåé êáé óå Üëëïõò ÷þñïõò áõôü.
    Ìðá, äåí åßíáé Ýôóé. ÅðåéäÞ, äå, óõìöùíþ áðïëýôùò üôé ï óïâáñüò ãñáðôüò ëüãïò (äçëáäÞ ç äçìéïõñãßá åíüò êåéìÝíïõ ðïõ åßíáé ÷ñÞóéìï, Ýóôù êáé ùò êáëáìðïýñé) áðáéôåß êÜðïéá ðñïóðÜèåéá êáé ç åðéêïéíùíßá ìÝóù áõôïý (äçëáäÞ ç áíôáëëáãÞ êåéìÝíùí ìå åðé÷åéñÞìáôá) áðáéôåß áêüìç ìåãáëýôåñç êñßíù ðñïóùðéêÜ áóýìöïñï íá êáôáèÝóù Ýíá óåíôüíé óôï ïðïßï, ìå åîáéñåôéêÜ óïâáñÜ äïìçìÝíç åðé÷åéñçìáôïëïãßá, íá ðáñÝ÷åôáé ìéá åìðåñéóôáôùìÝíç åñìçíåßá ôùí ëüãùí ðïõ ïäÞãçóáí óôçí ðáñïýóá êáôÜóôáóç. Èá äéáêéíäýíåõá äå, åðéðëÝïí, íá ðáñåñìçíåõèåß ç üðïéá ðáñÝìâáóÞ ìïõ ùò ìéá ðñïóðÜèåéá ðñïóùðéêÞò øõ÷áíÜëõóçò/áðïöüñôéóçò êáé äå èá èÝëáìå êÜôé ôÝôïéï, Ýôóé;
    In the high country of the mind one has to become adjusted to the thinner air of uncertainty...
    Robert M. Pirsig

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